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Thanks Mike, actually now I'm also in a small crisis to which is my cou=
ntry, and also what responsibilities I have towards them. I'm in Mexico =
where in just one year in a half, it has changed drastically. I have never s=
een people so paranoid and scared. You explain Twitter to people or many Itp=
projects it makes them anxious. It seems that the sudden raise =
in security problems (kidnapping, robbery, extorsion), and the economical cr=
isis, ironically makes people scared of innovation of technology, and the us=
age of it.
Now is time to start putting priorities. But well, just sharing some th=
oughts and impressions. Thanks for the comment.
;gelfmuse@gmail.com> wro=
te:
Hey Sandra, by &qu=
ot;your country" did you mean the U.S. or Mexico? I feel
like, if there's not a compelling reason to go back to Mexico
specifically after you graduate, and you're stilling willing to be the
worldly traveller that you already are, I'd go where the jobs
are–especially in this market. At least for a few years after you
graduate.
Also, being bilingual, you have more than just Mexico and the U.S. to
consider as possible placement. You have most of South America,
Spain, as well as any English-speaking country in which to look for
jobs.
On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Sandra D=E1vila <sandraxi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting discussion… thanks patrick for the resources they seem r=
eally
> interesting.
>
> What worries me more and I don't know about other people what happ=
ens with
> international people after itp… does people go back to their country=
?
>
> I have being discerning about this.. should I come back to Mexico?… =
Is
> difficult when you invest a lot of money and your country is not able =
to
> offer you opportunities regarding your studies, anyway just some thoug=
hts.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, mike clemow <gelfmuse@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It ought to be said that, if you were looking to make huge $$$, yo=
u're
>> kind of in the wrong place too. I'm certainly taking a m=
ajor salary
>> cut in addition to accruing thousands in debt by coming here=
. My
>> hope is that it's worth it to have a job that makes me happy.
>>
>> My humble $0.02.
>>
>> -mc
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Patrick Grizzard <roygbiv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > This is a job managing the studio for a single artist who mak=
es work for
>> > galleries, museums and private collectors, so I don't thi=
nk its really
>> > representative of the job market as a whole. Presumably this =
job would
>> > appeal to someone who is looking for the opportunity to work =
for a name
>> > artist and get experience working on large-scale projects, ma=
ke
>> > connections
>> > in the art world, and, by doing so, improve their own opportu=
nities for
>> > showing work, being represented, getting exposure, etc., etc.=
IOW, this
>> > job
>> > is REALLY not about the money. If that's more of a priori=
ty, then I
>> > think,
>> > in general, you're going to be looking at jobs with inter=
active agencies
>> > and
>> > studios, tech start-ups, or perhaps an in-house design/techno=
logy
>> > division
>> > of a larger media/web/tech company.
>> >
>> > This is not to say that there aren't people out there try=
ing to find an
>> > interaction designer with great graphic design and programmin=
g skills,
>> > experience editing feature-length films and creating broadcas=
t-qulity
>> > motion
>> > graphics, basic robotics knowledge, strong bookeeping skills,=
and a
>> > portable
>> > espresso maker for $12/hour. I think people who are looking f=
or this are
>> > generally clueless and/or desparate and, as Tymm mentioned, t=
hey assume
>> > that
>> > a recent grad is more likely to take what they can get, so IT=
P gets
>> > targeted
>> > disproportionately with these types of jobs.
>> >
>> > Check out some job posting sites to get a better sense of wha=
t the
>> > market is
>> > actually like. I haven't been looking recently, but these=
used to be
>> > some of
>> > my go-to resources. Also, where else do people look for job p=
ostings (FT
>> > or
>> > freelance gigs)?
>> >
>> > http://www.coroflot.com/public/jobs_browse.asp
>> > http=
://jobs.37signals.com/
>> > http://jobs.boxesandarrows.com/jobs
>> > http://www.ixda.org/topics.php?topic=3Djobs
>> >
>> > Also, some recruiters post open job descriptions on their sit=
es:
>> > http://w=
ww.aquent.com/
>> > http://www.=
cgr.com/
>> >
>> > I also have a number of recruiters I've worked with in th=
e past who send
>> > out
>> > weekly or monthly emails with open jobs. A lot of these same =
ones go to
>> > the
>> > IxDA listserv, if your subscribed to that. Same with nyc-chi.=
>> >
>> > :P
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:11 AM, petra farinha
>> > <petra.prin=
tscreen@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> it~s funny that midori sends emails so early…when we ar=
e still here!
>> >>
>> >> but yes…welcome to the job posts!!
>> >> and there are others that ask for people that do everythi=
ng: designer,
>> >> coding for everything u can imagine, architect, product d=
esigner,
>> >> coffee
>> >> maker, secretary for less money!
>> >>
>> >> sweet dreams!
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Tymm Twillman <tmt271@nyu.edu> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> A lot of the postings to the list are pretty bad like=
that, but I
>> >>> suspect the folks who want to pay crappily tend to se=
nd out more
>> >>> requests.
>> >>>
>> >>> But yeah, that's an awful salary for this kind of=
position.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Robert Carlsen wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > I really hope this isn't representative of t=
he job market….that
>> >>> > was
>> >>> > my starting salary as a multimedia developer fre=
sh out of undergrad,
>> >>> > with a graphic design degree and no practical pr=
ogramming
>> >>> > experience….in 2000.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > so, if that's what i have to look forward to=
after 10 years of
>> >>> > experience and an $80,000+ investment in further=
education,
>> >>> > then….ouch.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Job title =96 Technology manager/software de=
veloper for multimedia
>> >>> >> artist studio
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Ideal candidate has several years experience=
or a grad degree.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> …Starting salary is $38,000, plus benefits=
after 90 days for full
>> >>> >> time. Part
>> >>> >> time considered for the right candidate; sal=
ary negotiable.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > —
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