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Interesting discussion… thanks patrick for the resources they seem really=
interesting.
What worries me more and I don't know about other =
people what happens with international people after itp… does people go ba=
ck to their country?
I have being discerning about this.. should I come back to Mexico?… I=
s difficult when you invest a lot of money and your country is not able to o=
ffer you opportunities regarding your studies, anyway just some thoughts.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, mike cl=
emow <gelfmuse@gm=
ail.com> wrote:
It ought to be said that, if you were looking to make huge $$$, you're
kind of in the wrong place too. I'm certainly taking a major sala=
ry
cut in addition to accruing thousands in debt by coming here. M=
y
hope is that it's worth it to have a job that makes me happy.
emow <gelfmuse@gm=
ail.com> wrote:
It ought to be said that, if you were looking to make huge $$$, you're
kind of in the wrong place too. I'm certainly taking a major sala=
ry
cut in addition to accruing thousands in debt by coming here. M=
y
hope is that it's worth it to have a job that makes me happy.
My humble $0.02.
-mc
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Patrick Grizzard <roygbiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a job managing the studio for a single artist who makes work f=
or
> galleries, museums and private collectors, so I don't think its re=
ally
> representative of the job market as a whole. Presumably this job would=
> appeal to someone who is looking for the opportunity to work for a nam=
e
> artist and get experience working on large-scale projects, make connec=
tions
> in the art world, and, by doing so, improve their own opportunities fo=
r
> showing work, being represented, getting exposure, etc., etc. IOW, thi=
s job
> is REALLY not about the money. If that's more of a priority, then =
I think,
> in general, you're going to be looking at jobs with interactive ag=
encies and
> studios, tech start-ups, or perhaps an in-house design/technology divi=
sion
> of a larger media/web/tech company.
>
> This is not to say that there aren't people out there trying to fi=
nd an
> interaction designer with great graphic design and programming skills,=
> experience editing feature-length films and creating broadcast-qulity =
motion
> graphics, basic robotics knowledge, strong bookeeping skills, and a po=
rtable
> espresso maker for $12/hour. I think people who are looking for this a=
re
> generally clueless and/or desparate and, as Tymm mentioned, they assum=
e that
> a recent grad is more likely to take what they can get, so ITP gets ta=
rgeted
> disproportionately with these types of jobs.
>
> Check out some job posting sites to get a better sense of what the mar=
ket is
> actually like. I haven't been looking recently, but these used to =
be some of
> my go-to resources. Also, where else do people look for job postings (=
FT or
> freelance gigs)?
>
> http://www.coroflot.com/public/jobs_browse.asp
> http://jobs.3=
7signals.com/
> http=
://jobs.boxesandarrows.com/jobs
> http://www.ixda.org/topics.php?topic=3Djobs
>
> Also, some recruiters post open job descriptions on their sites:
> http://www.aquent=
.com/
> http://www.cgr.com/
>
> I also have a number of recruiters I've worked with in the past wh=
o send out
> weekly or monthly emails with open jobs. A lot of these same ones go t=
o the
> IxDA listserv, if your subscribed to that. Same with nyc-chi.
>
> :P
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:11 AM, petra farinha <petra.printscreen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> it~s funny that midori sends emails so early…when we are still h=
ere!
>>
>> but yes…welcome to the job posts!!
>> and there are others that ask for people that do everything: desig=
ner,
>> coding for everything u can imagine, architect, product designer, =
coffee
>> maker, secretary for less money!
>>
>> sweet dreams!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Tymm Twillman <tmt271@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of the postings to the list are pretty bad like that, bu=
t I
>>> suspect the folks who want to pay crappily tend to send out mo=
re
>>> requests.
>>>
>>> But yeah, that's an awful salary for this kind of position=
.
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Robert Carlsen wrote:
>>>
>>> > I really hope this isn't representative of the job ma=
rket….that was
>>> > my starting salary as a multimedia developer fresh out of=
undergrad,
>>> > with a graphic design degree and no practical programming=
>>> > experience….in 2000.
>>> >
>>> > so, if that's what i have to look forward to after 10=
years of
>>> > experience and an $80,000+ investment in further educatio=
n,
>>> > then….ouch.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Job title =96 Technology manager/software developer f=
or multimedia
>>> >> artist studio
>>> >>
>>> >> Ideal candidate has several years experience or a gra=
d degree.
>>> >>
>>> >> …Starting salary is $38,000, plus benefits after 90=
days for full
>>> >> time. Part
>>> >> time considered for the right candidate; salary negot=
iable.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > —
=3D”mailto:tmt271@nyu.edu”>tmt271@nyu.edu
>>> > leave-9919208-3322519.d58c6c1504d702841edff57=
af865c1ed@lists.nyu.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> —
>>> petra.printscre=
en@gmail.com
>>> leave-9919210-3318506.c07a5ec5121385706e77a00ba442=
8182@lists.nyu.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> —
>> Petra Farinha
>>
>> —
:roygbiv@gmail.com”>roygbiv@gmail.com
>> leave-9919212-4275892.19dc8f31fb7af86c69228567c6688440=
@lists.nyu.edu
>
>
> —
> Patrick J. Grizzard
> www.gneumatic.n=
et
>
> —
=3D”mailto:gelfmuse@gmail.com”>gelfmuse@gmail.com
> This is a job managing the studio for a single artist who makes work f=
or
> galleries, museums and private collectors, so I don't think its re=
ally
> representative of the job market as a whole. Presumably this job would=
> appeal to someone who is looking for the opportunity to work for a nam=
e
> artist and get experience working on large-scale projects, make connec=
tions
> in the art world, and, by doing so, improve their own opportunities fo=
r
> showing work, being represented, getting exposure, etc., etc. IOW, thi=
s job
> is REALLY not about the money. If that's more of a priority, then =
I think,
> in general, you're going to be looking at jobs with interactive ag=
encies and
> studios, tech start-ups, or perhaps an in-house design/technology divi=
sion
> of a larger media/web/tech company.
>
> This is not to say that there aren't people out there trying to fi=
nd an
> interaction designer with great graphic design and programming skills,=
> experience editing feature-length films and creating broadcast-qulity =
motion
> graphics, basic robotics knowledge, strong bookeeping skills, and a po=
rtable
> espresso maker for $12/hour. I think people who are looking for this a=
re
> generally clueless and/or desparate and, as Tymm mentioned, they assum=
e that
> a recent grad is more likely to take what they can get, so ITP gets ta=
rgeted
> disproportionately with these types of jobs.
>
> Check out some job posting sites to get a better sense of what the mar=
ket is
> actually like. I haven't been looking recently, but these used to =
be some of
> my go-to resources. Also, where else do people look for job postings (=
FT or
> freelance gigs)?
>
> http://www.coroflot.com/public/jobs_browse.asp
> http://jobs.3=
7signals.com/
> http=
://jobs.boxesandarrows.com/jobs
> http://www.ixda.org/topics.php?topic=3Djobs
>
> Also, some recruiters post open job descriptions on their sites:
> http://www.aquent=
.com/
> http://www.cgr.com/
>
> I also have a number of recruiters I've worked with in the past wh=
o send out
> weekly or monthly emails with open jobs. A lot of these same ones go t=
o the
> IxDA listserv, if your subscribed to that. Same with nyc-chi.
>
> :P
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:11 AM, petra farinha <petra.printscreen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> it~s funny that midori sends emails so early…when we are still h=
ere!
>>
>> but yes…welcome to the job posts!!
>> and there are others that ask for people that do everything: desig=
ner,
>> coding for everything u can imagine, architect, product designer, =
coffee
>> maker, secretary for less money!
>>
>> sweet dreams!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Tymm Twillman <tmt271@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of the postings to the list are pretty bad like that, bu=
t I
>>> suspect the folks who want to pay crappily tend to send out mo=
re
>>> requests.
>>>
>>> But yeah, that's an awful salary for this kind of position=
.
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Robert Carlsen wrote:
>>>
>>> > I really hope this isn't representative of the job ma=
rket….that was
>>> > my starting salary as a multimedia developer fresh out of=
undergrad,
>>> > with a graphic design degree and no practical programming=
>>> > experience….in 2000.
>>> >
>>> > so, if that's what i have to look forward to after 10=
years of
>>> > experience and an $80,000+ investment in further educatio=
n,
>>> > then….ouch.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Job title =96 Technology manager/software developer f=
or multimedia
>>> >> artist studio
>>> >>
>>> >> Ideal candidate has several years experience or a gra=
d degree.
>>> >>
>>> >> …Starting salary is $38,000, plus benefits after 90=
days for full
>>> >> time. Part
>>> >> time considered for the right candidate; salary negot=
iable.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > —
=3D”mailto:tmt271@nyu.edu”>tmt271@nyu.edu
>>> > leave-9919208-3322519.d58c6c1504d702841edff57=
af865c1ed@lists.nyu.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> —
>>> petra.printscre=
en@gmail.com
>>> leave-9919210-3318506.c07a5ec5121385706e77a00ba442=
8182@lists.nyu.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> —
>> Petra Farinha
>>
>> —
:roygbiv@gmail.com”>roygbiv@gmail.com
>> leave-9919212-4275892.19dc8f31fb7af86c69228567c6688440=
@lists.nyu.edu
>
>
> —
> Patrick J. Grizzard
> www.gneumatic.n=
et
>
> —
=3D”mailto:gelfmuse@gmail.com”>gelfmuse@gmail.com
> leave-9919441-3385671.7f68c50ffcbbb19bdd4d2903f44790=
d1@lists.nyu.edu
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